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The problem is few people get paid for being healthy so its a choice of work or health. If the costs of healthyness go too far you wont get certain jobs simply because every company goes elsewhere to find workers.

Wintermane, what you write is true when workers are commodities. A commodity is the same everywhere; one soybean, one fish or one tree is as good as another. And while any person is as worthy as another, no one wants to be a mere commodity, just another pair of hands.

When workers are investments, assets, human capital, then their health and well-being is extremely important to the "bottom line." Then, in fact, one does get paid for being healthy - that is, one's business gets paid by better productivity, employee retention, morale and loyalty.

Businesses that understand this will thrive. Businesses that don't will wither.

Wintermane, I think you misunderstand. It's not a question of "getting paid for being healthy," it's a question of the economic effects of being unhealthy. If you're not healthy, you're less productive, whether because you miss work or have low energy on the job; a cleaner environment means fewer unhealthy people, thereby raising the overall productivity per worker. The effect on health is exogenous to the working conditions; the MIT argument has nothing to do with healthcare or other particular employer costs.

Very interesting... my only comment would be that I would like to see the numbers that show why the cost of Remaining Pollution rose from 1995 to 2000.

It doesn't seem to make sense that there was a rise in the cost of remaining pollution during the same period when the benefit rose so dramatically.

Their explaination at the bottom of the graph -

"The dashed curve shows the welfare loss resulting from the pollution that remained. Even though pollution is dropping, the cost rises over time because productivity is increasing so a missed day at work is more costly in 2000 than it was in 1975."

explains why the cost is not declining as fast as the benefit is rising but this doesn't explain why it is not flat or falling slightly.

Oh I agree there. The trick is finding out what realy is TRUELY making people lose productivity.

Generaly conservatives feel its rather silly to spend 50 billion on something that effects 50000 people when something that effects 50 million people gets nothing at all done about it.

A good example spending soo much money on dropping arsenic in drinking water from a realy realy low level to a realy realy realy realy low level while thus robbing money from the ability to say tackle food posioning in the meat industry or that blasted gas additive we added to combat pollution but that now is polluting all our water.. mbft wasnt it?

But then personaly I think a nation of people who complain about pollution while drinking smoking doing drugs taking insane herbal remidies from bobs carpark and toxic waste dump and light discount insense candles from who knows where containing who knows what while on diet plans from cheap mags... is a tad in need of a slap upside the head.

I still remember the woman complaining about a power plants pollution and its effects on her unborn child.. she had a bottle of fortified wine in one hand and an unfiltered sig in the other....

Now I know no one around here is that silly thats why I come here. Unlike alot of places I find people with brains here.

Yr kidding right, the health system would collapse which would be bad for yr health, so you have an economic imperative to pollute.

I was thinking about how alcohol is tightly regulated in countries like the US but a normal part of life in other countries (some of which have the longest lifespans). Food as a drug, should food be regulatd like alcohol? All the direct & indirect, monetary & non-monetary, negative externalities caused by the overconsumption of food...

the real issue at hand is not necessary that pollution regulations cause an overall positive economic effect, but the fact that it has a negative economic impact on the current pollutors. The current pollutors who are the same ones throwing money at pollitcians to prevent regulation of their pollution and their subsequent economic hardship. No, it doesn't take a fool to realize the benefits, economically, socially, and for public health, but unless you are a fool with a ton of money to throw at politicians, then you are out of luck.

Not exactly see the problem is uneven pollution controls and careless polution controls dont lead to better companies they lead to companies moving.

If your pollution law requires a company that makes 500 million in revenue but only 100k in profit ech year spend 100 million in any one year... they cant do that any more then you or I could.

If you are stupid enough and yes alot have been to require a company pay out 50 million for pollution control item number 1 then 3 years later while said company is still in debt to its eyeballs you then require that same item be repaced with a 75 million model... you just screwed up.

If you require a man with 50 bucks to his name and old car to pay 1200 to get it fixed and he doesnt have it... you just screwed up.

Time and time again pollution control has not had any sense of budget constraints and as such tons of companies have been forced to move to where no pollution controls exist. Its no accident that bohpal happened. In the rush to opush our filthy NEEDS away from our sight we have raped the world and murdered millions. Al in the name of our health. Ya us.